Curse

Patrick Smit · Jun 04, 2007, 09:07 AM // 09:07

Wanna kill botting, start punishing the consumers who buy gold online.

gone · Jun 04, 2007, 09:23 AM // 09:23

lol a farming guild huh?

how long has it been since you tried green farming in some of the "old" heavy hit faction farming spots?

How can PS be any good (as well as any other skill on bar) when you can't even fire them off? the interruptions are supercilious to say the least (and yes even in NM).

just because anet is letting people unlock a few things over in elona doesn't mean that PS or ANY other skill needs nerfing.

the skills won't get nerfed,(well not many) but the SKILLBARS of mobs will.

give it some time. I'd really hate to be a new-comer with just nightfall to play,
because you're really getting the dirty end of the stick.

artay · Jun 04, 2007, 09:24 AM // 09:24

My e/n SS earth tank can farm minotaurs in hard mode(as many as i can aggro). People will just use other builds. It ain't that hard.

Etta · Jun 04, 2007, 09:27 AM // 09:27

PS is amazing when you have a really low total health, but PS alone is not enough to keep you alive you'll need some regen,energy management, dmg skills to go with it. And so many things can kill a 55, not gonna mention necro and mesmer. There're 8 skills on the bar for 55, and PS need the other 7 to back it up. To nerf just PS alone is a bit pointless.

Evilsod · Jun 04, 2007, 09:30 AM // 09:30

Yeah.. they're really not gonna nerf PS now to stop 55s. There are 100s of ways they could've stopped 55s by now, if they nerfed Prot Spirit to completely end 55s they might aswell as just deleted the stacking of duplicate sup runes, forcing people to use characters like the Ele and removed the -50 cesta.

Besides, nerfing 55 builds would be more effective if they just moved Mystic Regen. That skills made surviving degen into a complete no brainer.

Destinyy · Jun 04, 2007, 09:37 AM // 09:37

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Originally Posted by TideSwayer

I can't use Prot Spirit? I can't cast it over and over again? Wow.

I didn't bring the subject up because I'm worried about bots. I brought the subject up because maybe (just maybe) Protective Spirit is overpowered as a PvE farming skill since you can take 10% damage 100% of the time. Convince me it isn't overpowered (without relying on the 'well, it can be stripped!' argument). That's why I started the thread. I'm interested in hearing thoughts on this.

2 questions...

1. Do you have a 55??? Cos I seriously don't know why any 55er in their right frame of mind would want the build nerfed!!!

2. Have you counted the countledd other solo farming builds out there? When PS is nerfed then what will follow, SFA??? BONDING??? 600HP??? TOUCH RANGER??? WARRIORS??? SHADOW SIN??? SHADOW ELE???

Sure, the 55 is most versatile and can go most places, but bots don't care about that!!! Lemme explain...

The 55 can go to place 1,2 and 3 to farm
SFA can go to place 1
War to place 2
Shadow Sin to place 3

Nerf the 55, and the botter will just buy 3 accounts instead of 1 and run 3 different bots in the 3 different areas...

You'll have to nerf every skill that has the potential to render it's use invinsi in order to get the bots out of the picture... But oh wait, what does that do to farming???

TideSwayer · Jun 04, 2007, 09:43 AM // 09:43

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Originally Posted by Destinyy

1. Do you have a 55??? Cos I seriously don't know why any 55er in their right frame of mind would want the build nerfed!!!

Dude, it's just a topic. It's not a campaign to get anything done. I was just seeing what others thought about it, and save for the few asinine comments about my guild, etc., I think there have been some good points brought up. Early-morning discussion, nothing more.

I'm going to have to agree with Evilsod about how much extra oomph Mystic Regen adds to a 55 build. The bar doesn't move, man.

DarkGanni · Jun 04, 2007, 09:50 AM // 09:50

As Dr Strangelove said they could have nerfed PS long ago. Instead of nerfing the skill they found other ways to stop the gold sellers with the recent introduction of loot scaling. What you want will never happen.

gone · Jun 04, 2007, 09:51 AM // 09:51

so. what you're saying is you're a farmer who would like to see a skill that takes soloing to new and before un-soloable places?

I think you're pulling my middle leg about being a farmer, or you've got some sort of problem with your farming guild. no farmer wants an un-needed nerf.
NONE.

and if regen IS nerfed, then the amount of DEGEN dealt out needs to be nerfed as well.

If regen gets hammered, fleeting should as well because it makes hydras and other kd'ers Not knock me down...

/lmaosarcasmdetector

arcanemacabre · Jun 04, 2007, 09:58 AM // 09:58

Oh the drama! LMAO

Anyway, this is my suggestion: "Target other ally..."

that is all

EDIT: Yeah, Etta, severe lag at the moment I hit "Post"

Etta · Jun 04, 2007, 10:04 AM // 10:04

wow, triple posted, arcane?

I have to agree with Evilsod, if anything is over power it's mystic regen not PS. But lets not give anet any idea, ok?.

TideSwayer · Jun 04, 2007, 10:11 AM // 10:11

You know what I think is pretty hilarious? I remember when the -50 offhand was based in healing prayers, not blood magic. (Somebody showed me one in town once, back in the Prophecies heyday.) I bet ANet never considered blood magic being useful in -50 builds when they made that change some time ago.

As for Mystic Regen, the amount of regen you get from it allows me to use a +5nrg-20-20-enchants 20% Prot staff instead of a Totem Axe/-50 just fine and 105 instead of 55. I like being able to get the extra damage from staff shots as opposed to the -1's from Totem swings.

Sk8tborderx · Jun 04, 2007, 10:27 AM // 10:27

If prot spirit gets nerfed like you proposed, spikes will be even more powerful, because there is no way to stop it.

If you make it target other ally, with a 2 monk backline skillbars are clustered enough, and it would require 2 copies being taken or they would simply spike the monk with prot spirit and you areas good as dead. Either that or you will need to run a 3 monk backline, which will lead to very long matches.

If they nerf prot spirit, it will hurt PvP a LOT more then PvE. You can already farm with protective bond, just not in as many areas, and those builds will become popular, and then everyone will cry for another nerf on that.

All this really comes down to, is someone is making more gold then you, and you are jealous. Get over it.

garethporlest18 · Jun 04, 2007, 10:27 AM // 10:27

Why does it matter if it's overpowered or not? It lets people make money for things they want. Bots will never be out of a game till that game is done for, no matter what you do there's always always always a way for bots to stick around.

It doesn't put imbalance into PvP and PvE isn't hurt because of it.

boko · Jun 04, 2007, 10:40 AM // 10:40

Another lame topic asking for something to get nerf when there is no problem with it in the 1st place... please sort out your problem with farmers on your own and stop crying to Anet to nerf everything that you don't like.

Fact : farmers will always be present. They will always find new ways to do it. Nerf PS and they all go Ele farmers. Nerf even more and the GW population will feel the hit even more than bots and quit.
Balancing skills according to farming issues is one of the worst concept of balance ever, and a complete joke, especially if that skill is used a lot in pvp.

arcanemacabre · Jun 04, 2007, 10:43 AM // 10:43

Oh, so obviously Soul Reaping was sooo overpowered in PvE that it "needed to be nerfed" just as much as it did in PvP. Yet, PS is perfectly fine?

Well, I mean, like you said gareth, PvE isn't hurt because of it, right?

.defekt · Jun 04, 2007, 10:46 AM // 10:46

.... nobody was ever talking about SR. go away.

RhanoctJocosa · Jun 04, 2007, 10:47 AM // 10:47

Protective Spirit is fine in PvE and PvP. There is no reason to change it. People have been using Protective Spirit to farm for a long time and to change it now would be very well late and really an insult to players, because instead of working on fixing their game ANet would be wasting time changing things that are fine.

[QUOTE=TideSwayer]Hell, even the abuse of it by the casual farmer is bad for the economy as a whole

O hi thar loot scaling

arcanemacabre · Jun 04, 2007, 10:50 AM // 10:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

Protective Spirit is fine in PvE and PvP. There is no reason to change it. People have been using Protective Spirit to farm for a long time and to change it now would be very well late and really an insult to players, because instead of working on fixing their game ANet would be wasting time changing things that are fine.

Yeah, changing a skill that's been in the game since release would really suck. They would never do something like that!

RhanoctJocosa · Jun 04, 2007, 10:51 AM // 10:51

Protective Spirit is fine in PvE and PvP. There is no reason to change it. People have been using Protective Spirit to farm for a long time and to change it now would be very well late and really an insult to players, because instead of working on fixing their game ANet would be wasting time changing things that are fine.

"Hell, even the abuse of it by the casual farmer is bad for the economy as a whole."

O hi thar loot scaling

PS: wtf quoting is hard